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	<title>Comments on: The Googlization of Philanthropy</title>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely get your column.  We have taken this idea and made a site where philanthropy and volunteerism can all be found within one social network.  The googlization of philanthropy is where we get most of our traffic and information from.  At YourCause.com, we rely on third party nonprofit information hubs, like GuideStar.org and NetworkForGood.org to provide us with updated information on 501(c)(3) charities.  EIN numbers are verified and as transparent as cellophane.  This is the future of philanthropy! We help charities register with GuideStar because unless Guidestar approves them of being 501(c)(3) certified  we  can&#039;t register them within YourCause.com.  It&#039;s a trail of partnerships but it&#039;s changing... and it&#039;s working!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely get your column.  We have taken this idea and made a site where philanthropy and volunteerism can all be found within one social network.  The googlization of philanthropy is where we get most of our traffic and information from.  At YourCause.com, we rely on third party nonprofit information hubs, like GuideStar.org and NetworkForGood.org to provide us with updated information on 501(c)(3) charities.  EIN numbers are verified and as transparent as cellophane.  This is the future of philanthropy! We help charities register with GuideStar because unless Guidestar approves them of being 501(c)(3) certified  we  can&#8217;t register them within YourCause.com.  It&#8217;s a trail of partnerships but it&#8217;s changing&#8230; and it&#8217;s working!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://www.tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/04/the-googlization-of-philanthropy/comment-page-1#comment-6963</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes. Very good point. I do think that transparency is especially critical in this process. This is NOT something that Google is know for. In fact, I&#039;ve had a couple of readers tell me I&#039;m doing a disservice by calling it Googlization. But so far no one has offered an alternative that is quite as &quot;sticky&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes. Very good point. I do think that transparency is especially critical in this process. This is NOT something that Google is know for. In fact, I&#8217;ve had a couple of readers tell me I&#8217;m doing a disservice by calling it Googlization. But so far no one has offered an alternative that is quite as &#8220;sticky&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Nichols</title>
		<link>http://www.tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/04/the-googlization-of-philanthropy/comment-page-1#comment-6962</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me, Sean, that my earlier point applies to the front end, the googlization, as well as to the back end, how the information is used.  In establishing criteria for assembling information there are decisions being made about what is important.  If I understand google&#039;s process correctly (and if I do it is a tribute to the explanations of patient friends) they have made decisions in their logarhithms as to which words in a search to look for first, or how important word order is, or how to weigh the frequency of similar words in a given website in assessing a match.  Those who seek to googlize philanthropy will be making similar choices, each of which will be subjective and contestable.  But because (optimistically) sophisticated websites created by respected organizations generate these results they will take on a special aura of credibility.  

If we build decisions (the back end) on information based upon criteria that we don&#039;t understand and with which we disagree then we run some risk of misleading ourselves.  

There may be no answers to this except 1) as much transparency as possible about the criteria used in selecting and organizing the information and
2) frequent reminders that these variables exist (akin to the media reminders that survey results have a margin of error of +/- 3%).
3) diligence on the part of the user in understanding that the more important the decision the more crucial it will be that s/he understand how the supporting information was derived.  

Thanks for provoking this very interesting and very enjoyable exchange.  

Pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me, Sean, that my earlier point applies to the front end, the googlization, as well as to the back end, how the information is used.  In establishing criteria for assembling information there are decisions being made about what is important.  If I understand google&#8217;s process correctly (and if I do it is a tribute to the explanations of patient friends) they have made decisions in their logarhithms as to which words in a search to look for first, or how important word order is, or how to weigh the frequency of similar words in a given website in assessing a match.  Those who seek to googlize philanthropy will be making similar choices, each of which will be subjective and contestable.  But because (optimistically) sophisticated websites created by respected organizations generate these results they will take on a special aura of credibility.  </p>
<p>If we build decisions (the back end) on information based upon criteria that we don&#8217;t understand and with which we disagree then we run some risk of misleading ourselves.  </p>
<p>There may be no answers to this except 1) as much transparency as possible about the criteria used in selecting and organizing the information and<br />
2) frequent reminders that these variables exist (akin to the media reminders that survey results have a margin of error of +/- 3%).<br />
3) diligence on the part of the user in understanding that the more important the decision the more crucial it will be that s/he understand how the supporting information was derived.  </p>
<p>Thanks for provoking this very interesting and very enjoyable exchange.  </p>
<p>Pat</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://www.tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/04/the-googlization-of-philanthropy/comment-page-1#comment-6961</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, thanks for your comment. I would say that the Googlization process is one that makes more information available. Your question pertains more to what should be done with the information. Might some people try to harness the information to build computer driven nonprofit rating systems? Sure. But I do not think that that leap is the preordained outcome of Googlization. More availability of data could also be used to help people make better qualitative decisions.

I do think that human decision making is critical in philanthropy and all walks of life. Using the internet to gather information does not mean (and should not mean) that we will take the next step and allow computers to make decisions as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, thanks for your comment. I would say that the Googlization process is one that makes more information available. Your question pertains more to what should be done with the information. Might some people try to harness the information to build computer driven nonprofit rating systems? Sure. But I do not think that that leap is the preordained outcome of Googlization. More availability of data could also be used to help people make better qualitative decisions.</p>
<p>I do think that human decision making is critical in philanthropy and all walks of life. Using the internet to gather information does not mean (and should not mean) that we will take the next step and allow computers to make decisions as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought your piece wonderfully engaging.  It struck me that the capacity to googlize philanthropy doesn&#039;t improve philanthropy by itself.   

There are at least two sets of interwoven criteria at work--the criteria by which information is deemed important and, thus, selected or organized, and the criteria by which the re-organized information is applied in making giving decisions. Obviously, each informs the other and both merit scrutiny.

I think of my econometrician friends who build elaborate models on a series of assumptions, each of which they know to be contestable.  Yet, when the model produces results, instead of seeing those results be more speculative or contestable than each of the contestable assumptions, they are seen to have special credibility because they came from the sophisticated model.

Transparency and self-consciousness are, of course, part of the answer.  
In using the information I need to know by what criteria it was selected and I need to be explicit with myself and others as to what criteria I&#039;m using in applying it. 

That may suggest a problem of infinite regression.  I will then want to know by what criteria the selection criteria were selected and, knowing that, by what criteria the second level criteria were selected, etc. (I&#039;m largely kidding here.  I think that&#039;s a real a logical problem but beyond the first or second level the only practical solution is to test the results against our intuitions and if they don&#039;t mesh then go back scrutinizing the criteria and the results against one another).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought your piece wonderfully engaging.  It struck me that the capacity to googlize philanthropy doesn&#8217;t improve philanthropy by itself.   </p>
<p>There are at least two sets of interwoven criteria at work&#8211;the criteria by which information is deemed important and, thus, selected or organized, and the criteria by which the re-organized information is applied in making giving decisions. Obviously, each informs the other and both merit scrutiny.</p>
<p>I think of my econometrician friends who build elaborate models on a series of assumptions, each of which they know to be contestable.  Yet, when the model produces results, instead of seeing those results be more speculative or contestable than each of the contestable assumptions, they are seen to have special credibility because they came from the sophisticated model.</p>
<p>Transparency and self-consciousness are, of course, part of the answer.<br />
In using the information I need to know by what criteria it was selected and I need to be explicit with myself and others as to what criteria I&#8217;m using in applying it. </p>
<p>That may suggest a problem of infinite regression.  I will then want to know by what criteria the selection criteria were selected and, knowing that, by what criteria the second level criteria were selected, etc. (I&#8217;m largely kidding here.  I think that&#8217;s a real a logical problem but beyond the first or second level the only practical solution is to test the results against our intuitions and if they don&#8217;t mesh then go back scrutinizing the criteria and the results against one another).</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://www.tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/04/the-googlization-of-philanthropy/comment-page-1#comment-6774</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google themselves might end up being that core service. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2007/12/more-google-finance-for-nonprofits&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these posts&lt;/a&gt;. But one of the aspects of Google is that it indexes across sites and the web in general is moving towards a unified way to understand information. My hope is that this trend means that philanthropy won&#039;t have to build their own information clearing house, but that philanthropy&#039;s information will be aggregated by third party web applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google themselves might end up being that core service. See <a href="http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2007/12/more-google-finance-for-nonprofits" rel="nofollow">these posts</a>. But one of the aspects of Google is that it indexes across sites and the web in general is moving towards a unified way to understand information. My hope is that this trend means that philanthropy won&#8217;t have to build their own information clearing house, but that philanthropy&#8217;s information will be aggregated by third party web applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Scheibel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Scheibel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One difficulty I foresee in the Googlization of philanthropy is the lack of a dominant player in the aggregation game. You note that both Guidestar and Charity Navigator are trying to provide richer information about nonprofits by encouraging &quot;nonprofit groups to submit information that is not readily accessible.&quot; I agree that nonprofits need to make this information available as widely as possible, but the lack of a dominant repository makes it difficult for organizations to know what sites will best serve their needs, and submitting information to a range of sites is a drain on resources.

I think the Googlization of philanthropy will come, but until there is a dominant player in the field, its emergence will be slow. If you create a website for any purpose, you can anticipate that it will eventually be indexed by Google. If you want your site to appear near the top of a results page when users search Google for particular terms, there are many search engine optimization techniques available to help make this happen. The key here is that Google is for all intents and purposes the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; search engine worth caring about. Nonprofits can use SEO techniques to improve their Google PageRank scores, but until there is a dominant aggregation engine serving philanthropists and foundations, I think sites such as Guidestar and Charity Navigator will continue to be incomplete resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One difficulty I foresee in the Googlization of philanthropy is the lack of a dominant player in the aggregation game. You note that both Guidestar and Charity Navigator are trying to provide richer information about nonprofits by encouraging &#8220;nonprofit groups to submit information that is not readily accessible.&#8221; I agree that nonprofits need to make this information available as widely as possible, but the lack of a dominant repository makes it difficult for organizations to know what sites will best serve their needs, and submitting information to a range of sites is a drain on resources.</p>
<p>I think the Googlization of philanthropy will come, but until there is a dominant player in the field, its emergence will be slow. If you create a website for any purpose, you can anticipate that it will eventually be indexed by Google. If you want your site to appear near the top of a results page when users search Google for particular terms, there are many search engine optimization techniques available to help make this happen. The key here is that Google is for all intents and purposes the <i>only</i> search engine worth caring about. Nonprofits can use SEO techniques to improve their Google PageRank scores, but until there is a dominant aggregation engine serving philanthropists and foundations, I think sites such as Guidestar and Charity Navigator will continue to be incomplete resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://www.tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/04/the-googlization-of-philanthropy/comment-page-1#comment-6771</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment, RDAM. Network for Good was mentioned in the original draft but edited out due to space constraints. note that Network for Good is part of Schwabification rather than Googlization and I didn&#039;t spend as much time rehashing Carla&#039;s point.

Your point on information sharing among funders is super important. I wrote about this in &lt;a href=&quot;http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/sean-stannard-stockton-philanthropy-columns/its-time-to-share-more-information-about-worthy-charities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my last Chronicle column&lt;/a&gt;.

Funders (and nonprofits) frequently balk at the time and expense of trying to share their knowledge. The point of my column is that they won&#039;t need to carry that cost, the Googlization process will do it for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment, RDAM. Network for Good was mentioned in the original draft but edited out due to space constraints. note that Network for Good is part of Schwabification rather than Googlization and I didn&#8217;t spend as much time rehashing Carla&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>Your point on information sharing among funders is super important. I wrote about this in <a href="http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/sean-stannard-stockton-philanthropy-columns/its-time-to-share-more-information-about-worthy-charities" rel="nofollow">my last Chronicle column</a>.</p>
<p>Funders (and nonprofits) frequently balk at the time and expense of trying to share their knowledge. The point of my column is that they won&#8217;t need to carry that cost, the Googlization process will do it for them.</p>
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		<title>By: RDAM</title>
		<link>http://www.tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/04/the-googlization-of-philanthropy/comment-page-1#comment-6770</link>
		<dc:creator>RDAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, 
Great column.  Big miss on not including Network for Good (www.networkforgood.org), which has done more to bring down the cost of donating online and turning non-profits onto the benefits of using the medium than any other organization. From their Six Degrees project with Kevin Bacon to their work with the Case Foundation on the America&#039;s Giving Challenge, Network for Good has been at the forefront of nearly every practical expansion of  online philanthropy. Their approach to educating nonprofits about the benefits and pitfalls of using the Internet as a donor cultivation and fund raising tool have helped thousands of organizations make the leap and succeed.

Now as for your differentiation of &quot;Swabification&quot; and &quot;Googlization,&quot; you couldn&#039;t be more right on.  The problem though is that each attempt, as I&#039;ve observed them, to provide information about the sector has either been too detailed/obtuse (990s for instance), too limited in the number of nonprofits addressed and therefore of limited use or, in the case of &quot;user generated&quot; content, a mishmash of homilies about the great work being done by Organization X w/o any hard hitting criticism of areas where the nonprofit falls down.  IMO, what is needed is for funders -- Foundations, individuals, etc -- to come together and fund an independent organization dedicated to sharing what foundations learn through their own funding-decision research, and that includes way for nonprofits themselves to promote their own work and critique the work of others.  It should also include (a la Charity Navigator) simple a red light-green light method by which &quot;casual&quot; donors can quickly make decisions and learn from &quot;professional&quot; funders (Lucy Berholz&#039;s Endorsement Philanthropy).  If a consumer products reviewer (like, say, Consumer Reports) provided the same level of research, the same lack of criticism, the same hard to understand data, that the nonprofit sector accepts as sufficient, they&#039;d be long gone.
Googilization, great but how about some level of being truly straightforward and ending the campfire sing-along approach that says every nonprofit is good simply because they intend to do good and instead hearing from people and funders when a nonprofit isn&#039;t measuring up and doesn&#039;t deserve the giving public&#039;s dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,<br />
Great column.  Big miss on not including Network for Good (www.networkforgood.org), which has done more to bring down the cost of donating online and turning non-profits onto the benefits of using the medium than any other organization. From their Six Degrees project with Kevin Bacon to their work with the Case Foundation on the America&#8217;s Giving Challenge, Network for Good has been at the forefront of nearly every practical expansion of  online philanthropy. Their approach to educating nonprofits about the benefits and pitfalls of using the Internet as a donor cultivation and fund raising tool have helped thousands of organizations make the leap and succeed.</p>
<p>Now as for your differentiation of &#8220;Swabification&#8221; and &#8220;Googlization,&#8221; you couldn&#8217;t be more right on.  The problem though is that each attempt, as I&#8217;ve observed them, to provide information about the sector has either been too detailed/obtuse (990s for instance), too limited in the number of nonprofits addressed and therefore of limited use or, in the case of &#8220;user generated&#8221; content, a mishmash of homilies about the great work being done by Organization X w/o any hard hitting criticism of areas where the nonprofit falls down.  IMO, what is needed is for funders &#8212; Foundations, individuals, etc &#8212; to come together and fund an independent organization dedicated to sharing what foundations learn through their own funding-decision research, and that includes way for nonprofits themselves to promote their own work and critique the work of others.  It should also include (a la Charity Navigator) simple a red light-green light method by which &#8220;casual&#8221; donors can quickly make decisions and learn from &#8220;professional&#8221; funders (Lucy Berholz&#8217;s Endorsement Philanthropy).  If a consumer products reviewer (like, say, Consumer Reports) provided the same level of research, the same lack of criticism, the same hard to understand data, that the nonprofit sector accepts as sufficient, they&#8217;d be long gone.<br />
Googilization, great but how about some level of being truly straightforward and ending the campfire sing-along approach that says every nonprofit is good simply because they intend to do good and instead hearing from people and funders when a nonprofit isn&#8217;t measuring up and doesn&#8217;t deserve the giving public&#8217;s dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the Manager of New Media at The Hauser Center for Nonprofit Organizations at Harvard and we also had rolled out a Google Custom Search Engine for the nonprofit sector last year,  and include foundations, a project very similar to PhilanthropySearch.org. We are continuing to grow this and add features, including collaboration across user categories.

http://www.hausercenter.harvard.edu/search/

If there are other people out there also developing nonprofit-related search engines, I would love to get in contact with them so that we don&#039;t duplicate efforts and could find a way to coordinate our efforts for greater impact. One risk of low cost tools like this is that a bunch of people start using them, but end up all creating the same tool.(Not saying that is happening in this case. Hats off to Tony.)

Michael_Byrne at harvard dot edu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the Manager of New Media at The Hauser Center for Nonprofit Organizations at Harvard and we also had rolled out a Google Custom Search Engine for the nonprofit sector last year,  and include foundations, a project very similar to PhilanthropySearch.org. We are continuing to grow this and add features, including collaboration across user categories.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hausercenter.harvard.edu/search/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hausercenter.harvard.edu/search/</a></p>
<p>If there are other people out there also developing nonprofit-related search engines, I would love to get in contact with them so that we don&#8217;t duplicate efforts and could find a way to coordinate our efforts for greater impact. One risk of low cost tools like this is that a bunch of people start using them, but end up all creating the same tool.(Not saying that is happening in this case. Hats off to Tony.)</p>
<p>Michael_Byrne at harvard dot edu</p>
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